Trump, Cohen, and Guiliani Can’t Get Their Story Straight

Michael Cohen has publically denied facts that are incontrovertible.


Anderson Cooper asks the important question whether anyone cares if Trump lies.

Yet there is an even more important question.  Does anyone care that people all around the President lie often, repeatedly, and are willing to lie to cover up Trump’s lies?

Without doubt Trump said he didn’t know about the payment of $130,000 by Michael Cohen to Stormy Daniels.  Trump also denied knowing where the $130,000 payment came from.

Cohen’s attorney has indicated Michael Cohen paid this money out of his personal pocket and took out a home equity loan to make that payment.

It seems obvious that Trump knew about the payment.

However Trump denied that he knew about the payment.

If Trump didn’t know about it, the payment by Cohen was likely an illegal campaign contribution.  However it now appears that Trump’s attorneys have realized that they must establish a plausible way for the money to have been paid by Trump, without his realization that he did so.  Sean Hannity, one of three clients of Cohen, “interviewed” Rudi Guiliani, Trump’s newest attorney, who explained that Trump “reimbursed” Cohen through a retainer agreement.

It’s clear that the Trump attorneys have gone into damage control mode by the tone of recent tweets emerging from Trump’s twitter account:

“Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA. These agreements are….

…very common among celebrities and people of wealth. In this case it is in full force and effect and will be used in Arbitration for damages against Ms. Clifford (Daniels). The agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair,……

…despite already having signed a detailed letter admitting that there was no affair. Prior to its violation by Ms. Clifford and her attorney, this was a private agreement. Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.”

Campaign finance watchdog groups have filed complaints with the Federal Election Commission and the Justice Department alleging that the then-secret payment amounted to an illegal campaign expenditure.  In support of that claim, Cohen said that “neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction and neither reimuresed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly.

Here’s how Trump’s story has changed on some key questions.

November 4, 2016: Hope Hicks Denies Daniels Affair

Days before the election, Daniels’s claims about her relationship with Trump were mentioned briefly in a Wall Street Journal report about how the National Enquirer silenced Karen McDougal, another woman who says she had an affair with Trump.

January 12, 2018: White House Denies Affair
The Wall Street Journal report that revealed the existence of the hush agreement includes this denial from an unnamed White House official: “These are old, recycled reports, which were published and strongly denied prior to the election.”

January 12, 2018: Cohen Denies Affair on Trump’s Behalf
Cohen issued his own statement, saying, “President Trump once again vehemently denies any such occurrence as has Ms. Daniels.”

“This is now the second time that you are raising outlandish allegations against my client,” he added, addressing the Journal. “You have attempted to perpetuate this false narrative for over a year; a narrative that has been consistently denied by all parties since at least 2011.”

January 12, 2018: Daniels (or Maybe Cohen) Denies Affair
Cohen also emailed a two-paragraph statement, which was ostensibly from Daniels. It said she was denying any “sexual and/or romantic affair” with Trump, and, “Rumors that I have received hush money from Donald Trump are completely false.”

January 30, 2018: Daniels (or Cohen) Issues Another Denial 
Cohen released a statement signed by Daniels in which she denied the affair. “My involvement with Donald Trump was limited to a few public appearances and nothing more,” it said. “When I met Donald Trump, he was gracious, professional and a complete gentleman to me and EVERYONE in my presence.”

January 30, 2018, and March 25, 2018: Daniels Denies Her Denials
During an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live! later that night, Daniels said that she didn’t know where the letter came from. Months later she told Anderson Cooper that the statements released by Cohen were both untrue, and she only signed them “because they made it sound like I had no choice.”

January 18, 2018: White House Claims They Already Addressed Hush Agreement, Though They Didn’t

During a press gaggle on Air Force One, Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah was asked about Daniels’s claims. “This allegation was asked and answered during the campaign, and I’ll point you to those comments,” he answered.

When pressed on whether Daniels received a settlement or hush money, he answered, “Like I said, this matter was asked and answered during the campaign, and anything else could be directed to Michael Cohen.” The brief statement Hope Hicks issued during the campaign did not address the payment.

February 13, 2018: Cohen Reveals He Paid Daniels With His Own Money, Won’t Say Why
In response to a complaint filed with the Federal Election Commission alleging that the $130,000 payment violated campaign-finance laws, Cohen told the New York Times he paid her out of his own pocket. He would not say why or what Trump knew about it.

“Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly,” Cohen said. “The payment to Ms. Clifford was lawful, and was not a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure by anyone.”

March 26, 2018: White House Won’t Say Why People in Trump’s Orbit Have Been Offered Hush Money
During a press briefing, Shah said Trump doesn’t believe Daniels was threatened in Las Vegas in 2011, or any of her other claims. Nor would he address why Cohen paid her. “False charges are settled out of court all the time. You’ll have to ask Michael Cohen about the specifics,” he said.

March 7, 2018: Sarah Huckabee Sanders Suggests Trump Didn’t Know About the $130,000

When asked about the payment during a press briefing, Sanders falsely suggested that Trump had already personally addressed the affair allegations, and accidentally revealed that he won the case in arbitration:

“Look, the president has addressed these directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true. This case has already been won in arbitration. And anything beyond that, I would refer you to the president’s outside counsel.”

As for whether Trump knew about the payment at the time, Sanders said, “Not that I’m aware of,” adding later, “there was no knowledge of any payments from the president, and he’s denied all of these allegations.”

April 5, 2018: Trump Claims He Didn’t Know About the Money
In his first remarks on the subject, Trump told a reporter “no” when asked if he was aware of the payment to Daniels. Asked why Cohen paid her, Trump said: “You’ll have to ask Michael Cohen. Michael is my attorney, and you’ll have to ask Michael Cohen.” He also said he didn’t know where the money came from.

April 26, 2018: Trump Says Cohen Represented Him in Stormy Daniels Matter
When asked to describe his relationship with Cohen a long and rambling interview with Fox & Friends, Trump said he only handled a “tiny percentage of my overall legal work.” He pointed to Daniels as an example:

But, Michael would represent me and represent me on some things. He represents me — like with this crazy Stormy Daniels deal he represented me. And, you know, from what I see he did absolutely nothing wrong. There were no campaign funds going into this … which would have been a problem. Because he’s got other things. He’s got businesses, and from what I understand they’re looking at his businesses, and I hope he’s in great shape.

February 14, 2018, and March 19, 2018: Cohen Says Trump Never Paid Him Back

In two interviews with Vanity Fair, Cohen reiterated that the $130,000 came from his own bank account, and Trump did not reimburse him.

May 2, 2018: Giuliani Claims That Trump Paid Cohen Back
In an interview with Sean Hannity, Giuliani, the new head of Trump’s outside legal team, argued that the $130,000 was “not campaign money” nor a “campaign finance violation” because Trump reimbursed Cohen. (Though that’s not what the law says.)

He went on to suggest that Trump repaid Cohen in installments via his retainer. “When I heard Cohen’s retainer of $35,000, when he was doing no work for the president, I said that’s how he’s repaying it, with a little profit and a little margin for paying taxes for Michael.”

May 3, 2018: Giuliani Elaborates on Trump’s Payment Plan
Following the uproar caused by his Fox News interview, Giuliani told several outlets that Trump knew that he planned to disclose the reimbursement, and offered more detail. He told the New York Timesthat Trump was unaware of the deal when Cohen set up the hush agreement, but later he decided to pay him back:

“Some time after the campaign is over, they set up a reimbursement, $35,000 a month, out of his personal family account,” Mr. Giuliani said. He added that over all, Mr. Cohen was paid $460,000 or $470,000 from Mr. Trump through those payments, which also included money for “incidental expenses” that he had incurred on Mr. Trump’s behalf.

Image result for trump giuliani“That removes the campaign finance violation, and we have all the documentary proof for it,” Giuliani added.

In a conversation with BuzzFeed, Giuliani said the payments were set up after Cohen “had complained to some people” that he hadn’t been paid. “It clearly was a payment to reimburse expenses,” Giuliani said — adding, “I’m almost certain that there wasn’t an itemized bill.”

7 thoughts on “Trump, Cohen, and Guiliani Can’t Get Their Story Straight

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  1. Oh the spin spin spin today. On day of national prayer day! Does anyone really care about the liars? Oh my gosh are these crooks funny. The list of liars and crooks grows on a daily basis. Cant wait till Mr. Mueller rounds them all up and LOCKS THEM UP. They will fill the prisons and we must make sure they do not go to “private for profit prisons” set up for the crooks to steal public taxpayer money to play house of prison. NOPE these crooks need real prison life and no frills. The crooks and liars like trump need real general prison life. A 6×6 cell, basic food, no luxury, no communications, no tv, and lots of counseling to understand the crimes committed and damage to society.


  2. The White House soap opera just keeps getting stranger. I can not figure out why they are letting Giuliani go on tv.

    Have you seen Immoral Minority’s new format? Very nice and happy to see you still mentioned on the blogroll


    1. Pat,
      Guiliani seems to be suffering from some form of personality disorder. I don’t think they wanted him to speak publically. I predict he’ll last about as long as Scaramucci.


  3. I saw a headline yesterday (Wash. Post, I think) that the payoff was done to protect Trump’s family! This is dissuade people from thinking (correctly) that the payoff was made for political purposes – to keep potential Trump voters from thinking ill of their candidate. I think that Trump voters thought so ill of their country that they rallied around a con artist. So, maybe Trump’s base will accept sudden concern for the family as a rationale for the payment but the majority of us know differently . . . .


    1. Beaglemom,
      And why did the family need protecting from a Porn Star who had nothing to do with them? If they are going to make up something, surely they could do better than that!


  4. Oh I think it is obvious how the kgb mob swamp works. It is how trump has conducted his entire shitshow since taking that famous escalator ride down in his shiny gold plated tower. On that stormy day in ny that he announced his campaign the game began.
    Say one thing, spin it, say another, spin it. Keep everyone spinning, throw insutls and taint facts and truth until everyone is confused and chasing lies and nonsense. It is in the fox no news Putin Russian kgb playbook. Thinking like a trump tower kgb cockroach is how it attempts to work.


  5. Good summary! Apparently Cohen stockpiled money so if he had the money and paid Daniels with his own funds, as he claimed, why did he have to get a loan from a bank? Or, is the stockpiled money hush money from Trump and coded as “retainer fees”? Cohen, Trump, and Giuliani’s versions of what transpired with regard to Daniels, the election, and the whole convoluted mess are shady and full of holes. Cohen, it is reported, is also involved in some sort of real estate maneuvering with his in-laws. Isn’t that the same sort of things Manafort was involved in that took him down? The plot thickens. Also disturbing about Giuliani’s rants this week, and one comment in particular, is that he said, in effect, that Ivanka Trump is off limits to questions from Mueller. Ivanka has had her hands on everything from the beginning and shouldn’t be treated as if she is above the law. Where and when did Ivanka become “untouchable”? She should have been interrogated as soon as she returned from the Winter Olympics in Korea because while there she positioned herself as if she were the Secretary of State speaking on behalf of Trump. She’s as deplorable as her husband Jared is “disposable”!


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